tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8815505.post112498474025167191..comments2024-03-27T14:10:24.670+08:00Comments on Anything HR by Ed: Bring HR Closer to the Line Part 3Edwin Ebreohttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16821972694832736436noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8815505.post-1127471900407626982005-09-23T18:38:00.000+08:002005-09-23T18:38:00.000+08:00Hi redhog, thanks for giving your feedback. Please...Hi redhog, thanks for giving your feedback. Please let me share my views about what you just said. I assume that Clair is the one who gave the first comment and yes she is right, a responsible recruiter should be able to determine if the applicant is someone who is capable of disciplining herself. I also agree with you that the company should be able to communicate properly its rules and regulation and the things that are expected of employees. But as (Clair) said, this is not a perfect world. There is no pool proof way for a recruiter to determine if an applicant (who of course will try to put her best foot forward) is telling the truth or not. Also, it is utterly difficult for applicants to fully appreciate the company's culture without experiencing it first hand. The world we live in is so imperfect. Self discipline is confined to a limited number of people and these people do not look very different from those who have less self discipline. And yes Clair is right, the reason why we have line managers is because they are responsible for seeing to it that people are able to meet expectations in terms of performance and in terms of following the rules of engagement among others. If everyone can be trusted to do this without managers we'll probably have a lot less managers.<BR/><BR/>With regards to appropriateness of rules, I agree with you that some rules are counter-productive and do not help at all. What can you expect? nothing is perfect. My recommendation is for people to review these rules and see if they are still applicable. If not, why keep them? Change them into something that will benefit the organization.Edwin Ebreohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821972694832736436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8815505.post-1127470592803672192005-09-23T18:16:00.000+08:002005-09-23T18:16:00.000+08:00As Clair pointed out, I too think this should be c...As Clair pointed out, I too think this should be clear in the hiring process, but also what this expected dicipline consists of. The company is responsible for truthfully describing its internal culture and rules to the person they are recruting, so that people who feel unconfortable with these rules can bail out before they cause any harm to the company or themselves.<BR/><BR/>Also, if most current employees attempts to breake a rule, it is probably not the employees who are at fault, but the rule... The examples are countless, especially when it comes to rules about technology, like firewalls filtering certain ports that people needs to use for their work, like ssh.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8815505.post-1125019860256840792005-08-26T09:31:00.000+08:002005-08-26T09:31:00.000+08:00Thanks sudo manijer! I agree! your comment is defi...Thanks sudo manijer! I agree! your comment is definitely a lot more than two cents worth!Edwin Ebreohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16821972694832736436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8815505.post-1125019532045159742005-08-26T09:25:00.000+08:002005-08-26T09:25:00.000+08:00Here's my two cents (every comment that is worth t...Here's my two cents (every comment that is worth that much should have this as an intro). I think the responsibility of discipline should lie closer to the person than the line managers: it should be in the employee himself.<BR/><BR/>This should be clear right in the interview process. The question "Do you think you are someone who can discipline herself?" should be answered positively (who will not answer it that way?! it is the interviewer's job to detect uncertainty or course). So that day to day discipline which is more instructive-preventive rather than corrective or punitive should be carried out by the manager in the spirit that "Hey, I can see you're missing out on the job of personal discipline, so I'm helping you now; I'll do it (disciplining) for you (here's a whack in the head while we're at it! ;-) ) I think that the employee's responsibilities include both pushing herself in doing the right things and keeping himself from doing the wrong things. But this is not a perfect world, so there's the manager.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com