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Sunday, April 19, 2009

Equal Work for Equal Pay is for Losers

I almost forgot about this topic until recently when I had a chance to talk to someone who seem to embrace this concept. Some years ago (a long time ago actually), I tend to say this a lot. Whenever I would see co workers go the extra mile with their work, I would say "I'm not paid enough to do what you are doing." I would further say that if they want me to work harder, they have to pay me better. I have always been a good persuader so I get to influence a lot of people to share my opinion. It wasn't really hard to do because it seems to make sense. In fact I know a lot of people who keeps on using this as an excuse for not doing their best at work.

I can't remember when and how I turned a new leaf. I just found myself one day beginning to doubt the logic of this concept. I started looking around and found
that a lot of those who hang on to this mindset are losers, bitter and stuck up bottom feeders. A lot of them are angy because they can't seem to get a break despite their tenure. They tend to be overtaken by younger more determined individuals they call ass kissers. I'm glad I realized early enough that equal
work for equal pay doesn't work. That if one wants to succeed at work, one must be willing to invest some time and effort to show management that one is capable of taking on bigger responsibilities, more complex tasks and delivering better results.

When I became a manager responsible for identifying future managers, I would tend to look at work attitude before leadership aptitude. I'm just glad that they often go together.

So, what's the point Ed, you might ask. The point is a lot of people on the ground don't know this who would benefit a lot if they will be able to adjust their mindset about work and how to climb the career ladder. As managers who have experienced how to move up in the organization, we should communicate this with them.

Once, I attend a seminar and the speaker, shared her own experience of ascending her own career ladder. It helped that somebody told her, no one can promote you except yourself. And if your boss fails to notice, somebody else will. I agree.

Note:

This blog post received a lot of comments these last few days due to according some readers as its vagueness and inability of the writer to substantiate some of what's written. There are also those who seem to have been offended by my use of words. I apologize to those who felt mislead, slighted or offended by what I wrote here. It is never my intention to mislead, slight or offend people. I'm writing this addendum to further explain myself. I did not edit or delete any part of the original article because I want to give credence to those who shared their comments here. Please let me clarify my point about what I'm talking about here.

The intention of this post is to share my opinion on the subject matter based on my work experience and what I have observed in my 18 years in various companies starting from being a bus boy at a food court, a store clerk at 7-Eleven, moving up to become supervisor, manager and up to where I am now. The key point of this post is that if you limit your performance according to how you feel about your salary, you lose out. You lose out opportunity to show your real potential, you lose out to people who are probably less capable than you but has better attitude towards work. That is what I mean about being a loser. My intention is for readers to embrace the idea of going the extra mile at work as a strategy towards career success. It is also my intention to help managers communicate that this is the way to go towards career success.

This blog post is not about asking for salary increase to match your salary. If that would be the case the title should be "Equal Pay for Equal Work" Which I will gladly take up when the inspiration comes. Please don't get me wrong. I see nothing wrong about that, I have on a number of occasions approached my boss to ask for an increase.

This blog is not about unfair labor practice or people trapped in a bad company with bad compensation.I appreciate the amount of demoralization that can go with that. I've written about those things in the past and if you read back those articles you know how I feel about unfair labor practice.

This post is an opinion and not a rule. If rules have exceptions, my opinion most likely have more. So if you feel that this does not apply to you or your situation, you are probably right. Let me add that this entire blog is collection of my opinions. It's my personal journal that deals with my work. It's not an academic material to be used a reference, it's a set of opinions on various HR related matters for readers to consider.

Please take what you can from this blog post and if you find nothing that benefits you or you agree with, that's alright. We don't have to agree on everything. That makes blogosphere a great venue for discourse and sharing of opinion.

To those who call on me to not touch on topics I can't substantiate, I'll try not to but I can't promise.


59 comments:

  1. I learned this long ago from a talk by Francis Kong while I was still in college. His talk really shaped my outlook on work. You need to be able to give first before you can get. That seemed to make more sense and reflective of my own experiences. Thanks for sharing Ed!

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  2. Anonymous11:34 PM

    Hi Sir,

    what if.. you've done your part..?
    what if.. you already gave your best but your company won't compensate you well enough even if you've become one of their assets..?

    isn't it a bit hypocritical..?
    cause.. why do we work..?
    isn't it primarily because we want to earn money?

    yes.. my statements simple..
    but it's a fact..
    everybody work to the best of their limits in order for them to have a better life.. right..?

    please.. enlighten me..
    cause i really don't get it..
    equal work for equal pay is for losers..

    what if ..
    MORE WORK, MORE RESPONSIBILITY But LESS PAY..?

    whose fault is it this time..?

    good day..

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  3. Anonymous9:42 AM

    equal work for equal pay is for losers...

    it's quite interesting but i think it contradicts the saying "what you give is what you get". Though I get the point that in order to gain you need to learn how to give but to sacrifice something more than what used to be required for your work may be labeled to be an act of martyrdom.

    Though I do believe that sometimes in order to perform at your best at work you need to sacrifice some things, it shouldn't be necessary to be asked to always do the same sacrifice. What I mean is that it isn't bad to work you butt at your very best to be the best. But it also isn't wrong to demand for an equal pay if you think you are overworked.

    I guess it was better to discuss the fine line between being over-paid and over-worked. I think it would be better as a blog than labeling people who request for equal pay as losers, because it is a fact that majority would have such principle but not all of them are losers.

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  4. @jpabellon: Thanks for sharing

    @Anonymous: "everybody work to the best of their limits in order for them to have a better life.. right..?" wrong. Not everybody.Some people turn in mediocre work and expect a lot in return. Let's assume that you are doing your best and your boss is not noticing, there are a couple of things you can do. One, call your boss attention. Inform the boss that you deserve some recognition and corresponding compensation for doing a good job. If you're right, a good boss will do something to give you what you deserve. If your boss won't recognize your work, look for a better boss. Know what I mean?

    Bottom line is, if you feel that you are not paid well enough so you decide to stay and deliver mediocre work, you'll get stuck. If you do that, I'd call you a loser. Ever heard of that saying "your attitude determines your altitude?"

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  5. @2nd Anonymous Commenter: Thank you for commenting. Let me make myself clear. Asking for an equal pay is fair. You're not a loser if you can ask your boss to recognize your good work and compensate you properly. But that is seldom what equal work for equal pay means. More often people associate that saying to doing what they think is enough to match their compensation. And because salaries are almost always not enough, some people turn in mediocre work that get them stuck. Just a couple of weeks ago, I was talking to a highly skilled Engineer who said, he is not giving his 100% best because the company is not giving him what he thinks is the compensation he deserves. He added that if they want better output from him, they have to pay him better. Guess what? It will never happen. The cart can never come before the horse. Please take what I mean about the title of this post in this context and you'll have a better appreciation of what I mean.

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  6. Oh, let me add that it does not contradict this "what you give is what you get". In fact They're absolutely aligned. You want better recognition, better compensation? Deliver better work. Unfortunately, it hardly works the other way around. Imagine the company giving you better recognition and better compensation so you can work better? Sounds funny right? Hey Ed congratulations for beating next month's sales target! here's your commission and also for that, I will give you a salary increase... hmmm

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  7. Anonymous2:34 PM

    Hi Ed,


    Does this apply to our company?
    LOL


    -Tewen

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  8. Anonymous2:37 PM

    I don't think that this applies to our company due to the fact that we are bonded.

    -Jayson Jacinto

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  9. Anonymous2:40 PM

    I think this may not work in our company... I like the idea though, but no can do with our company.

    -Allen Dela Rosa

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  10. Anonymous2:44 PM

    @jayson, exactly, ain't gonna happen, not a chance.


    - Mark Jeppee S. Anquilan
    Anak ng Duke

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  11. @Tewen, Jayson and Allen, What does not apply where?

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  12. Anonymous2:48 PM

    Hi Ed,


    about companies having "bonds" or "RSA"


    -Tewen

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  13. Anonymous2:48 PM

    If your boss won't recognize your work, look for a better boss. Know what I mean?

    -This one, Sir ed.

    Let me also add that a GOOD BOSS doesn't need his/her employees calling his/her attention. A boss needs to learn when and where to invest.

    A man once said, "Investing in employees is key to good business."


    -Jayson

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  14. @Jayson, you're right, it does not apply to your company, it applies to you.

    A GOOD BOSS, does his/her best to make everything fair. But even the BEST BOSS will overlook some things, how much more an AVERAGE BOSS?

    You are right, investing in employees is key to good business. How do you make sure that you get a fair return in your investment?

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  15. @Tewen: This post is not about Bonds and RSA's. Talk to your boss about it.

    This post is about people putting forward a positive attitude towards work for personal and professional enrichment as against those who are turning in mediocre work because they think that's what their company deserves.

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  16. Anonymous3:12 PM

    Hi Ed,


    About what Jayson said, he's just saying that this thing "you're right, a good boss will do something to give you what you deserve" does not always happen. also, you said to look for a better boss, what if you're in a bond or RSA?

    And also, assuming that you're exceling in what you do, you said you need to inform your boss that you deserve some recognition and corresponding compensation for doing a good job. How do we actually say it without being impolite?

    - Tewen

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  17. Anonymous3:14 PM

    @Tewen: This post is not about Bonds and RSA's. Talk to your boss about it.

    This post is about people putting forward a positive attitude towards work for personal and professional enrichment as against those who are turning in mediocre work because they think that's what their company deserves.

    -> Yes sir, i know this is not about RSA's and bonds but i was referring to people doing mediocre work who have bonds and RSA's

    - tewen

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  18. @Tewen: In my experience both as a worker and as a Manager I noticed that there's often a disconnect between what the boss thinks the worker deserves and what the worker thinks he deserves. This is why there are worker strikes even in the biggest companies with very well paid employees. Only an open, understanding communication between the two can possibly solve this. But we don't live in a perfect world right? We don't always get what we want and what we think we deserve. When it happens that we are unhappy with the situation, we look at the options available and exercise those options. Unless you're bound for life which I'm sure you are not.

    So let's just say you are under obligation to stay for a particular amount of time and you are unhappy, do you slack off, do you become renege on your responsibilities? Where will that take you when the obligation is over? I say, you do your darn best at work, in the process becoming much greater at what you do, and if your company fails to give you what makes you happy get out of there as fast as you as you possibly can.

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  19. Anonymous3:28 PM

    @ Sir Ed

    You agreed that investing in employees is key to a good business right?

    Then bosses should never (ever) overlook their employees performance then.

    -Jayson

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  20. Anonymous3:32 PM

    @Sir Ed,


    I know what you meant chief. But the thing about doing your best because you're bound to something (RSA's or bonds) and to get out as fast as you can as possibly can is very difficult. It will come to the point of burning out because you're not happy anymore about your work but you're doing it because you're shackled to something. As a boss, what would you do? and say you're that employee, what will say to your boss about it?


    -tewen

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  21. @Jayson: I agree as I agree that husbands and wives or boyfriends and girlfriends should never (ever)overlook or take each other for granted.

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  22. If I were your boss, I would love to know what you are telling me right now, but I am not your boss so I suggest that you go to your boss to talk about it. If I were you, I will find out from my boss what I need to do in order to get what I want. This forum will not get you any closer to what you want because this is not made for that.

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  23. Anonymous3:40 PM

    @sir Ed,

    Yes, i apologize if i was leaning out of the topic but i think my example is about people thinking they do not deserve the pay that they are working and (if) they are tied over something such bonds or RSA's.

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  24. @Anonymous"my example is about people thinking they do not deserve the pay that they are working and (if) they are tied over something such bonds or RSA's." Let me return that question to you? What if you are this person? What if you think the only choice you have is to finish your bond? What do you do? Do you turn in a mediocre performance because it doesn't matter anyway or do you do your best until you are given what you think is a due recognition or until you are free of your obligations to look for better options? That's largely your choice.

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  25. Anonymous4:00 PM

    @sir Ed,


    I was looking for an answer if say i was that person thinking that he does not deserve the pay and the work and if he's tied over something... What if im already burned out? any ideas?

    sorry on the last post, i forgot to include my name


    -tewen

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  26. @Tewen, I thought I gave you lots of answers, chief of them talking to your boss. Let them hear what you feel and listen to them and maybe come to an agreement on a course of action. If you can't do that here's my opinion: suck it up, get over it, "un-burnout" yourself and do you darnedest best at work, lead and inspire your team to do the same. It will have its payoff on you and on them eventually. The other option is to be bitter about it, whine, and be a pain in someone's ass. Life is too short and misery is optional. Your call. And that's my answer.

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  27. Anonymous4:31 PM

    @sir Ed,


    I was preventing your second answer. And i was not talking as leader. It was just an example. I was just asking on ideas/opinions if this happens to me. Coz if this happens to me, and i have something bounded to me, i will get out of the company. For the bond and RSA thing, getting over it, "un-burnout" yourself is very hard sir... i dont want to use your second answer but if ever i'd use the first asnwer, getting over and just doing darnedest best at work will be very hard. And that's my opinion.

    -tewen

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  28. @Tewen; we are all entitled to our own opinion :)

    I'm also not talking about you as a leader, anybody who shows positive work attitude is a leader and an inspirer in my book. "un-burningout" is very hard, I agree, hardly anything lofty is easy.

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  29. Anonymous4:39 PM

    @sir Ed,


    ^_^
    Good topic btw... hope you will not stop doing this one out
    ^_^


    -tewen

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  30. @Tewen; Thanks :) There are a lot of other topics here that might interest you :)

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  31. Hi Mr. Ed:

    There are a lot of issues and statements that are quite vague upon your deliberation/ explication of your concepts, that tend to somehow contradict what has been previously written, hence, the confusion and reaction from your readers.

    I'll leave the other issues - but what struck me and i had to poke you a little on this, is when you did mention of "Management and Worker disputes" when stating: "I noticed that there's often a disconnect between what the boss thinks the worker deserves and what the worker thinks he deserves. This is why there are worker strikes even in the biggest companies with very well paid employees. Only an open, understanding communication between the two can possibly solve this. But we don't live in a perfect world right? We don't always get what we want and what we think we deserve." ...

    SOME SENSITIVITY HERE PLEASE, I Expected from you being an OD Practitioner more sensible, and a more careful touch and analysis on delicate issues such as you mentioned ("Why workers go on strike?....) There are bigger and more concrete and even simpler issues than just "disconnects"(which is again vague, you would opt to be more concrete and substantial next time) .... one simple concrete example of why workers do go on strikes is that, they are not paid "overtime" or some contractual workers working for the company more than six months (ten-twelve years) are STILL NOT regularized --- is this something that workers WANT? ---- or is this what is mandated in the labor codes/policies? Are these workers asking for what they need or deserve or only pushing the company to do what is plain right? Are they then, LOSERS? I think they are --- because of abusive labor malpractice...

    Respect our co-workers at all levels.

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  32. Anonymous4:58 PM

    Ooohhh... I think Tabularasa's comment was a bit too much for me. But then again, he/she may be right.

    As for my stand on the current topic, I think it still depends on the worker's mind set on how he/she will handle these kind of things.

    Learning to love what we are doing (Yes, even if we are talking about practicality here.), might compensate for the "Pay" that we might not be getting. Burning out is another issue for me though. Since I think that burning out of one's work means losing interest in what one is doing. n___n


    ---Son of John---

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  33. @tabularasa; thank you for your analysis. Just to make my point clear about this post. I'm talking about mindset differences here between people who go the extra mile in their work and people who won't unless they are paid the amount they want. I agree with you that there are other reasons why workers go on strike and a lot of them I must say are justified. But that is not the intent of this post. I'm not here to explain why people go on strike, I'm here to substantiate what I'm talking about in the beginning. I'm talking about mindsets about work. I hope I'm able to make that clear.

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  34. Hi Ed,

    Thank you for your quick response. Now clearing the cloud the you are not talking about "why people go on strike" - which makes my comment now uncalled for?

    My thing is, If you are not ready to touch on topics at large for discussion then it would be better not to even touch on it... because you just did.... why would i comment then if you did not? I just want to provide concrete examples on why workers go on strike.... not mere state "disconnects"... this is as a said vague.

    Clearly, you need to organize (your thoughts and words) on what and how you have to cascade and transcend your readers and followers.

    At the very beginning, you were already talking of FOUR WORDS - IN A PHRASE WITH UNSEGMENTED "WORKERS" (or to who does this apply). These are "EQUAL", "WORK","PAY", LOSERS".

    I'd like to help you substantiate your topic...

    What is your definition of:
    1. Equal
    2. Work
    3. Pay
    4. Loser

    I think if in the beginning you have defined your use of these words and concepts, then they could have been SUBSTANTIATED. Your definition and use of terms may most likely vary from mine and the rest of your readers and followers.

    Thank you.

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  35. @tabularasa; I'm sorry that I failed to substantiate this blog post enough for some of my readers and followers. I'm afraid this is as much as I can do with my limited capability to write and explain without straining my self too much :) I cannot promise to substantiate everything that I talk about enough nor stop touching on subjects I can't substantiate enough. My readers are free to get what they can from this blog or not, these are just my opinions. I could be wrong :)

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  36. Apologies accepted, Sir.

    Yes,we when we try to state or mention issues or concepts we very well need to SUBSTANTIATE the matter - whether by defining it, aligning it with our own experiences or giving concrete examples. Some writers just "quote" other writers' opinions and quotes but use the quotes or phrases in another and unusual context having the predicament of being confused, misled and worse mislead other people.

    As you have written previously and i quote:
    "I have always been a good persuader so I get to influence a lot of people to share my opinion." - Ed Ebreo

    And i say to you with that Power (Power of Persuasion), You have to have that RESPONSIBILITY to carry on. Not using it sparingly or loosely.... Your followers will use you or your words... "Sabi ni Mr Ed Ebreo sa blog nya...., kasi idol ka nila Sir "

    What i can share to your readers and followers is that, we all have our reasons why we go to work or have to work. And we got to respect that.

    Example, my higher rationale for working or coming to work is to make myself better everyday. And if you wish your "kind or quality" of work to be definitive of who you are as as person. Then WORK defies not only being PAID (as in cash, benefits, or fringes), but in ONE'S WORTH/ BECOMING AS A PERSON... Siempre kasama na yong "Earn a DECENT living".

    And yes, we have every right to fight for what is fair provided you have given your share of duty. A workers' share of duty is something that you, your boss and your company has agreed on from the beginning (you are worth, what you have negotiated for). If one feels and thinks that it's already time that you get a higher pay (cash for living,benefits), negotiate for it, Make sure you are worthy of it.

    And If Management refuse to see that. Then you have options such as 1. Find a company, who sees your value 2. Stay and look for reasons why you have to but be sure to carry on with integrity 3. Start your own business and a lot more.

    Thank you Ed.

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  37. @tabularasa; I respect your opinion about how I should write. I don't agree with some of them but I respect that they are your opinion. Thank you for sharing :)I completely agree with your last four paragraphs.

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  38. I don't really care about the “form” or “style” of the author or writer (HOW), what i do mostly notice is the CONTENT/FACT (WHAT) - “And when you said that “workers do go for a strike” because of some “disconnects” with Management and Workers – i have to tell you that you may have appalled workers of a for factory/supermarket (who you might have been going to) that they have not been given the regular pay and benefits of a regular worker and still in “contractual”, even if they have been serving the company for the last 8 or so years of their life... THIS IS NOT A DISCONNECT.

    I hope you just didn't take back your sorry for not being able to substantiate. And yes, respect still thrives in the real essence of argument. Respect and Sorry are two of the most overused and overrated terms in this day and age.. “Respect and Sorry” only becomes valid and true when we mean it. When Acceptance takes over pride, then learning hovers and blossoms... Then That is where we become a better person... And Then your blog has done its noble work for us. Thank you again, Ed

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  39. Anonymous8:43 PM

    @sir ED..
    Late reply.. nyways.. thanks for correcting me on this one..

    "everybody work to the best of their limits in order for them to have a better life.. right..? wrong. Not everybody.Some people turn in mediocre work and expect a lot in return."

    i totally agree.. ^_____^

    i was glad to have read your blog..
    it made me realize some good points on why I go to work..
    again. thanks for sharing your thoughts..

    @tabularasa

    Kudos. ^__^

    -TonTon

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  40. @tabularasa: I did mean well when I used those words sorry and respect.

    I apologized when I realized that some readers may not fully meet their expectations with this post. I said I respect your opinion because I do...

    The only FACT about this post is that they are my opinions and not facts in the strictest sense. If there's any reader out there who doesn't know, please do. I also believe that the best way to appreciate this blog post is to take it's entire content and get the message which I have been pounding on since earlier. To focus on just a statement out of the whole is to risk taking it out of context. If a factory or supermarket worker does that and fail to see what this blog post is all about, then they'll definitely be apalled. I can't help them if they do. The most well meaning message cannot help anyone who takes it out of context.

    "When Acceptance takes over pride, then learning hovers and blossoms... Then That is where we become a better person... And Then your blog has done its noble work for us." - This is total gibberish to me. - Ed Ebreo

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  41. Oi Mr Ebreo. Pa gibberish - giberrish ka pa... E hindi mo nga kayang i-define ang mga salitang ginamit mo in the first place sa blog mo... much more i-substantiate....

    EQUAL, PAY, WORK, AT LOSER....


    "When Acceptance takes over pride, then learning hovers and blossoms... Then That is where we become a better person... And Then your blog has done its noble work for us." - This is total gibberish to me. - Ed Ebreo; AMEN!

    I thought you are an OD Practitioner....

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  42. Anonymous10:12 PM

    +1...

    - Mark Jeppee S. Anquilan
    Anak ng Duke

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  43. Anonymous10:16 PM

    @_@ yan lng massbi ko sa inyo ahahahahahaha!

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  44. Anonymous10:20 PM

    @Tabularasa

    "Oi Mr Ebreo. Pa gibberish - giberrish ka pa... E hindi mo nga kayang i-define ang mga salitang ginamit mo in the first place sa blog mo... much more i-substantiate...." -Tabularasa

    Hmmm... I think you are getting way out of hand. Let's not get too "hot". K?

    One thing though, if I may ask, you kept on using the word "Substantiate".. Can you kindly explain that to me? Because as far as my comprehension skills are concerned, I got Sir Ed's point clearly. n___n


    ---Son of John---

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  45. Anonymous10:22 PM

    noob..

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  46. @Son of John;

    I maybe a "hottie", but i am not hot, the weather maybe...

    Substantiate - reiterate ko na lang yong isunulat ko sir, di ka yata nagbabasa ng former post ko, tagalugin ko na rin yong iba... "Yes,we when we try to state or mention issues or concepts we very well need to SUBSTANTIATE the matter - whether by defining it, aligning it with our own experiences or giving concrete examples. Some writers just "quote" other writers' opinions and quotes but use the quotes or phrases in another and unusual context having the predicament of being confused, misled and worse mislead other people."...

    Also, some people like me may not be as equally "smart" as you are, na kaya mong maunawaan agad ang "konseptong" inilalahad ng manunulat... at saka, inamin na ng una ni Mr Ebreo na hindi kayang i-substantiate ng husto ang kanyang mga isinulat at konsepto... kaya hanga ako sa iyo... isa kang Henyo, Sinong Nanay mo? :-)

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  47. Anonymous10:43 PM

    Huuuu!!! Heated conversation!! Me like me like!!!

    Cat fight na ba to??

    @Son of John

    Sasagot ka pa ehh!!! Bagooom!! XD

    @Tabularasa

    Nice one!! You are actually the first person who caught my attention today and made me luagh. Nice!! n_n

    -LeachiM-

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  48. Anonymous10:50 PM

    itulog nyo na yan XD


    Toppel

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  49. Anonymous10:56 PM

    Ay.. mali pala spelling ko ng laugh.. Baka masabihan din ako ng henyo..

    Di ako henyo. XD

    @Son of John

    Kilala ka na ata namen!!! Bwahahahaha!!!! XD
    -LeachiM-

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  50. @leachiM;

    heated conversation na ba ito sa inyo?... i eat this for brunch... :-)

    I'm glad i made someone, happy.... napatawa ba kita kamo? anong nakakatawa sa mga naisulat ko?

    @Toppel;
    sensya na - panghimagas lang, habang nagtratrabaho sir.

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  51. Anonymous1:58 AM

    Lets stick to the topic.

    Medyo OT na kasi. :-)

    You know what? I really think the blogger really touched a VERY sensitive topic.

    Mahirap pag-usapan ang ganitong bagay dahil hindi natin alam ang ginagawa ng bawat isa (sa kanya-kanyang trabaho.) Lalo na kung puro kwento o haka-haka (lalo na kung opinyon) lang ang nakakarating sa atin. Mahirap kasi ilagay ang sarili mo sa sitwasyon na hindi mo napagdaanan. :-)

    Kung ako tatanungin, KUNG WALA KANG ALAM sa isang bagay na gagalawin mo, mas mabuti pang wag mo nalang itong galawin.

    Opinyon ko lang po ito. :D

    -Jayson

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  52. Anonymous4:17 AM

    @ Blogger
    Wow, these words coming from an OD practitioner? I think that it is unfair and unprofessional, so to say, to label employees as “LOSERS” just because they are asking for an equal pay for the work they are doing. An HR personnel, of all people, OMG! Btw, the title is a bit misleading as you said “Equal Work for Equal Pay is for Losers” and a statement from the blog “I'm glad I realized early enough that equal work for equal pay doesn't work“ though you said (let me quote you) on one of the comments “Let me make myself clear. Asking for an equal pay is fair.” Hehe!

    Yes, people maybe working for different causes but main reason I think for majority is to earn money and have a better life. Why would it make them losers to ask for a reasonable pay to compensate for their work @_@

    I do agree with you that if one wants to move up or succeed at his/her work, one must be willing to go the extra mile. But you should also understand that there are limits to what one can do given his/her current condition at his/her work. We know that there are factors that might affect the willingness of one to give their best and calling them losers for asking for the pay they deserve would really motivate them more, hehe! Really, we cannot expect all people to be martyrs ^_^

    @ Son of John

    I think Tabularasa has the right to be a bit annoyed for what the blogger’s said “This is total gibberish to me.” After all, he did said that he respects others opinion. This too maybe his opinion but it is him who step a toe out of line first. Right after saying sorry and saying he respects Tabularasa’s opinion, he’ll say that it’s nonsense @_@

    @ Jayson

    Nicely said, “Kung wala kang alam..” ^_^ One might not know everything the other person is going through, what the weight of the one’s tasks, the responsibilities, etc. So unethical for one to call others losers when you do not know entirely what is going on.

    All I’m saying is it’s a bit off the mark to call people LOSERS because they are asking for compensation equal to the work they’re giving and you cannot expect all of them to just accept everything that your company can give him/her. I know you said that one can always find another job but as per what other people posted, what about employees that are legally bonded. So these people should just sit and wait for their end of binding contract, accept everything even the unjust salary pay, do their best for the company, and be called losers for asking for a better pay ^_^

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  53. Anonymous7:08 AM

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    +1

    @jayson

    well said..

    @sir ed

    let me just comment you on this one..

    "You are right, investing in employees is key to good business. How do you make sure that you get a fair return in your investment?"

    and how would that employee make sure that you get what you deserve..?

    i'm getting your point sir ed.. but the thing is.. no one in their right minds would be able to work properly knowing that they're underpaid. would you?

    if you're a perfect human.. MAYBE.
    but unfortunately.. NO ONE's perfect..
    everything has it's limit..

    you also said that we should find a new company.. or in other words.. well.. resign..
    but, you.. of all people should know that it doesn't apply to all.. especially in our company..
    and for that .. i can honestly say you're being insensitive..

    and if someone thinks that asking for a raise and not being to perform efficiently because he/she is at her limit is a loser..

    then you can call me a loser for knowing what's right and from what's wrong..

    if that's what you believe..

    But, i pity you for having an opinion like that..

    nothing personal.. just saying what's on my mind..

    -TonTon

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  54. Anonymous9:04 AM

    @tonton
    "i'm getting your point sir ed.. but the thing is.. no one in their right minds would be able to work properly knowing that they're underpaid. would you?" is definitely correct, it's human nature!

    @blogger
    I know that you mean no harm in composing this blog. But I guess tabularasa is right. For such a topic to be discussed like that it would definitely offend people who are under-paid.

    I feel that you believe in the word RESPECT but as for the blog it was more of a disrespect to those who work hard because they do not have a choice. I think it's best to discuss such topics clearly, hindi yung super generalized. The title itself is too vague, masyadong maraming issues na masasangkot.

    I hope you could do something better with your next blog. The comments from this blog is quite substantial to actually discuss the topic. I even could say it was better that you made an editorial-type of composition where your opinion is generalized so that you would avoid receiving comments from a quite angry crowd.

    I also think that the skill to write well isn't enough to say that you wouldn't offend anyone. But a person with an open mind can always be a good writer.



    BTW, I was the second ANONYMOUS person who commented on this blog. ^^

    - Fuchsia

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  55. @readers
    I realize now after reading all the comments how insufficient this blog post is. I apologize to those who felt slighted, felt mislead or offended by the topic. To those who feel that this blog post did not help them at all, I'm sorry. Please know that, that is not my intention. To those who find my opinion inconsistent with what you believe in, know that this is just my opinion, the difference in our opinions doesn't make any of us better or worse than the other. It's just a difference in opinions. I wrote an additional note in the blog post to further qualify what I'm talking about and to clarify my intentions.

    To people who shared thoughts that are outside of the intent of this topic, it doesn't mean that I disagree with you (but it doesn't matter right?). It's just not what this topic is all about.

    This is the last time I'm making a comment on this post so I can move to other stuffs. Thank you for sharing your comments and sorry to those who didn't get enough out of it.

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  56. Hi Ed,

    I was hooked on this. And after reading everything I understand what all of you are trying to point out.

    It is just sad that this is the reality in the workplace. However, there are a lot of opportunities to improve these situations with the joined effort from both employers and employees.

    Have a great weekend! :)

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  58. Just when I finally had the time to read this post's entirety, comment and all, and was in the mood to put my thoughts into writing (and subject it into the flaming wrath of the readers and anons) then sir ed said that "This is the last time I'm making a comment on this post...."*sigh*

    Oh well, lessons learned I guess =)

    *goes off to celebrate labor day*

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  59. Anonymous4:35 PM

    Have I read this post 3 years ago, I would be one of those losers who would like to see Ed shot in the head, hang in public, or get ran over by a truck. I am really thankful I realized this early in my career life.

    Well it all boils down to "learning from experience", both mine and those of other people. When it became clear to me that "equal pay for equal work is for losers", I changed strategies, otherwise, I would be doing the same thing over and over again and then wonder why I am getting the same results.

    It might be different in other workplaces but try to see for yourself, ask your bosses, or the more or less successful one how the heck did they get up there. Or better ask yourself "why I am still down here?" :)

    --
    Sotex

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